Those gawddammed Southern Senators - who hate the unions and love their foreign automaker's plants - killed the auto bailout bill.
How these bastards think that they can get away with this is beyond me. Do they think that we will not remember? Do they think that we will allow them to kill manufacturing, American Manufacturing, and not come after them when they are up for re-election? Do they really think that President Obama, with his army of friggin' email organizers, will allow them to run for re-election without us going door to door and reminding everyone that they killed the unions, manufacturing and brought on the next Republican Great Depression!?
Dammit, Dammit, Dammit!
Please, call the Congress tomorrow. Make three calls. Call both your Senators and your Representative and tell them what you want.
The Bastards.
UPDATE: Support the auto industry here, and at the UAW
UPDATE 2: (by id) The Senate vote, by yea or nay. Courtesy of dday, who says:
The 52 votes don't include Biden, Kerry (in Europe, I believe), Kennedy and Wyden (?). Add in those 4 plus Reid (who voted no for procedural reasons) and you're 3 votes away. Lame ducks Gordon Smith, John Sununu and Series of Toobz Stevens sat this out by not voting. Merkley, Shaheen and Begich would be likely to vote yes, and add in Biden and Obama's successors (whenever that is) and you have more than the votes needed to pass this come Jan. 6 when the new Congress is sworn inSo the automakers have to hold on for 25 more days as the new Congress will convene on January 6th.
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Previous L'n'L posts on the issue.
Daily Kos diary on the collapse. Bob Corker, R-TN, er . . Nissan, is specifically blamed on the collapse.
HOLY FUCK -> USA Today, March 29, 2007, "Saturn's first plant rolling out its last Saturns"
SPRING HILL, Tenn. — General Motors (GM) launched the Saturn brand at its plant in this tiny Tennessee town nearly 17 years ago.
. . But this week, the brand's birthplace rolled out its last models for the Saturn brand as the plant gets ready to reconfigure its production lines to build new GM vehicles.
Close to 2,400 of the plant's nearly 4,700 workers are being laid off for about 18 months while the plant is remodeled, though GM has promised to bring the workers back once the facility is equipped to produce other GM vehicles.
Do the math from March 2007.
Meteor Blades has some new info at D-Kos that the White House is threatening the Senate to use TARP money if they don't agree on a bill.
I guess, not on Paulson's watch.
American manufacturing is building cars for Toyota, Nissan and Honda.
Non Union, in southern states, with government subsidies... now stop the bullshit muck... this is a warning. Say the full truth or get deleted.
Fuck it, I deleted Muck.
From now on if a troll does not support Labor they can go elsewhere.
No tolerating someone who makes excuses for big business and their political co-horts.
Here's that link about the White House wanting to help out the Auto Industry with TARP money!
Eat that you southern Senator fuckwads!
I gotta say, I think you should leave dissenting opinions in. I haven't been following this issue that closely and I like to hear both sides. Let the trolls speak, and then you can refute them.
If Saturn is in TN, why didn't Corker support the auto bill? Also, how does killing the American auto manufacturing help the Japanese companies in the southern states? Don't all the car companies depend on various parts being manufactured for all the car companies? I thought the whole problem was that it's not just the car companies, it's all the plants that support them by making parts. Don't the American and Japanese companies share in that? Sorry--haven't been following this whole thing too closely.
CG, I saw some expert on Maddow a while back, I think, saying that the big 3 use 50% of the parts so the remaining car makers aren't going to be able to uptick production to save the peripheral manufacturers. It's short sightedness on the part of the union busters. So, okay, when all of those workers lose their jobs just before xmas, who's going to get the blame? Republicans.
As for the trolls, they don't argue in good faith, they get deleted. Muck is not here to argue in good faith, he's here to taunt and disrupt. He's been allowed to stay before, but always ends up with the right wing talking points. Besides, TLC's wide open; he's got something to say? He can say it there.
I don't like comment deleting.
Unless the comment causes pain.
Then it must be deleted.
The automakers would also have been required to cut wages and benefits to match the average hourly wage and benefits of Nissan, Toyota and Honda employees in the United States and the U.A.W. refused. Therefore, the GOP is blaming it on the Unions, and they will sell it that way to the American people. That way their hands are clean. It way those damn Unions.
"No tolerating someone who makes excuses for big business and their political co-horts."
BRAVO!
Forgive me for not remembering who posted first that this is nothing more than Union busting, but it is clear to me now that is exactly what is going on.
As far as deleting posters, we know exactly what they are going to say, so why listen.
Trolls are a pain in my ass, so delete delete delete.
WHAT STRANGE BEDFELLOWS
Looks like Bush may very well use part of the 700 billion to bail out the auto industry. Stay tuned.
CG, I'll try my best to explain, "Pain Free."
If Saturn is in TN, why didn't Corker support the auto bill?
Southern auto makers, are all non-Union. Corker wants the same rules to apply in Detroit. Which are Non-Union rules. He also has political motives, he has his own plan that he wanted to push... mostly all concessions from the Union, and wage cuts to workers.
Also, how does killing the American auto manufacturing help the Japanese companies in the southern states?
Less competition... the powerhouses will finally be gone... they will weaken the Union... workers will be at a disadvantage... it's a win for big corp., not the blue collar worker.
The real fear from Southern politicians, European and Japanese auto makers has always been Unionization. They want the ability to hire and fire at will. The Southern states are "Right to Work States", which means they have the right to fire. In a Union, if you get hurt your job is protected by the Union, get pregnant - protected, call off for getting sick - protected by the Union, etc. Since the Union is all about workers rights, that is their biggest fear. They could go so far as cutting back on work hours, health benefits, and don't have to pay pension benefits.
What bugs me the most (besides Wall St. getting bailed out and nothing for blue collar workers) is the foreign auto makers are getting Government subsidies worth millions of dollars to be in these republi-con rich, Southern red states. So what's the difference between getting government subsidies and asking for a bridge loan to survive?
That said, I really do feel that GM management needs to take a hit. They are short sighted and had 20 years to compete with foreign auto makers and did nothing. We cannot have the Hummer mindset. We need the Prius mindset.
If, God forbid, something major were to happen in the world and we needed to start massive defense production, we can go to the Big 3 for help. American manufacturers would be there for us to help defend our country. I personally feel it would be foolish to think foreign auto makers will help us do anything. They will just go home.
I'll tell you honestly, it took a lot for me to delete muck last night. The thing is my wife is Union, she just had to take 10% paycut, so she is back making the same wages in 2001. All those gains given back to help her company survive. And muck wants to come in here and preach, sorry but fuck muck. You can ask coyote, I'm the last person who will usually delete someone. In fact I think he was my first, maybe I was pissed.
Judith, digby says she's not holding her breath on using part of the TARP, but Erin's got a post up at TLC that has an insider saying Bush doesn't want to end up as the next Hoover, though it's prolly too late for that. dday's list of the Senate vote should be saved for the midterms, just to bring out and remind people who really cares about the US workers.
I'll tell you honestly, it took a lot for me to delete muck last night.
Didn't take me but the second it took to find the delete button. We've never tolerated trolls here, so it's not the same as TLC suddenly deleting regulars.
But we can compromise. I'll put up a daily Troll Bait open thread, and if Fuck wants to post here, he can post on those threads only. That way, those of us who want to chat unhindered by idiocy can feel comfortable, and those who want to play with the morons have a place to go. Whaddaya think?
Sorry CG, I screwed up a couple of sentences. The english mangler at it again.
Corker wants the same rules to apply in Detroit. Which are Non-Union rules.
Corker wants the same rules to apply in Detroit that apply in Tenn., which are Non-Union rules.
Good explaining SoS.
Ron Gettlefinger (sp?) the President of UAW just held a presser. He was fabulous. They have the best spokesperson and President that they could have right now. I have tremendous respect for him - he has always, always told the truth.
He said that the workers wages only account for 10% of all of the Big Three's labor costs...only 10 figgin percent.
He said that even if the workers all worked for free for the next month, until Obama came in to fix it, that would not save them from bankruptcy...and, for GM and Chrysler and Ford bankruptcy does not mean "reorganizing" it means dissolution.
That is the fact that we must, must, must teach people.
The Right Wing has been working hard with a whole lot of mythology - through Rush and Hannity and OReilly - they have got all of their BS talking points out there and people believe the shit. That is why it is always so hard for us to get the truth out.
We just need to be louder than the Right Wing blowhards and that is a big job.
They want to kill the unions - not just UAW, all of the Unions - and they want to destroy American Manufacturing.
Because we do not make anything in America anymore it will be so much more difficult to come out of this Republican Great Depression than it was in the 1930s.
This is so devastating. So terribly devastating.
After the UAW presser MSNBC had Corker on to refute what Gettlefinger said. Corker was scared. You could see it in his face and the number of times that he swallowed. Friggin Nora Odonell actually asked him some tough questions. I think that Corker is struggling between his personal loyalty to unions and his newfound loyalty to the Republican Party...in other words, I think that we can get to Corker.
The breaking down point was that Corker wanted the Unions pay to go down in 2009 instead of the already agreed upon 2011. That is the whole fucking sticking point.
It would not make a difference. It would not do anything to save the industry. It is all about musceling the UAW and it is crap. Their contract is not up until 2011; Gettlefinger does not even have the power to renegotiate that.
The bastards.
I don't like comment deleting.
Unless the comment causes pain.
Then it must be deleted.
Snark, milk came out my nose on that one. Too funny.
BTW - I also love your disclaimer. That made the coffee come out the nose.
I'll put up a daily Troll Bait open thread, and if Fuck wants to post here, he can post on those threads only.
Good plan.
PS. Corker is holding a lie fest (AKA: press conference) - it is on MSNBC.
Last week, Jane Hamsher ripped Corker a new one on southern state subsidies.
Really, Firedoglake has been great this week covering all angles. Way better than the tv!
Thanks Anjha.
Any day when I can make any sort of beverage come out of someone's nose is chalked up as a good day.
So that was a VERY good day!
BTW, Erin's got a post up at TLC. Show some luv? Don't forget to bring your disclaimers!
I love me some bonddad, Republicans Want a Depression. Yep, pretty accurate to me!!
If this country does implode, what the congrssional repukes don't realize is we are coming for them first!
Who's Erin?
Any day when I can make any sort of beverage come out of someone's nose is chalked up as a good day.
Good to know your standards are so high!
Who's Erin?
Erin Alecto - I hear she's crap, but at least she's talking about what we're talking about. Sheesh. Least she coulda done is linked to this post, huh? Maybe we should do so in the comments?
SoS, I saw bonddad's post, too. It's hard not to get discouraged, isn't it? Just before xmas, too.
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